Oleh/By		:	DATO' SERI DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMAD 
Tempat/Venue 	: 	LONDON 
Tarikh/Date 	: 	21/07/87 
Tajuk/Title  	: 	THE ROYAL INSTITUTE OF 
			INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS 




           "THE GLOBAL ECONOMIC CRISIS:  WILL 1988
                     BE ANOTHER 1928?"
Mr. Chairman;
Ladies and Gentlemen,
    I  am  pleased  to  have  been invited to speak at this
Institute today. I am indeed honoured to be able to share my
views  with  members of this prestigious Institute which has
made   a   tremendous    contribution   towards   a   better
understanding of international affairs.
2.   Making  speeches  is  the  favourite   occupation    of
politicians.  In  the  course  of  years  of doing this, one
develops a fondness for certain quotes. For me the favourite
quote  is  George  Santayana's  "Those  who do not learn the
lessons of  history  are  condemned to repeat their mistakes
over and over again".  I would like to repeat this quote  in
this  speech  because  it  deals  mainly  with  the  current
economic situation   and for those who have gone through the
recession  of the late  twenties  or  at  least  read  about
it,   they must have this "deja vu" impression when studying
the  present  world  economic  situation  and  its political
consequences.
3.   A  great  book  to  read  and  to  remind  us about the
Depression or the Great Slump of the late twenties and early
thirties is H.V.  Hodson's "Slump and Recovery, 1927 - 1937"
published  by your Institute in 1938.  Perhaps quoting a few
paragraphs from this book would explain why I said  that  we
have gone through it all before.  I quote:-
     "    The  fall  in  commodity prices ......   proceeded
     with only  intermittent  relief.    The  pressure  upon
     debtor  countries  to  sell  at  cut  prices  had  been
     grievously enhanced by the reduction in lending.
     "    The abrupt curtailment of international lending  -
     however wasteful and unjustifiable some of the previous
     loans  may  have  been - had dislocated world trade and
     depressed commodity prices ......
     "    The combination of different or harrassed  lenders
     and  weak  or  even  bankrupt  borrowers  automatically
     prevented  the  revival  of  international  lending  on
     the scale of earlier years
Let me continue to quote:
     "    In  general,  the  prices of raw produce fell more
     rapidly  than  those  of  goods  at the later stages of
     manufacture,  a   fact   which   temporarily   assisted
     industrial  countries ... but which could not do so for
     long, since    their    markets   abroad   were   being
     concurrently impoverished.
     "    The purchasing  power  of  raw-material  producing
     countries  enormously diminished.   Markets contracted,
     profits  fell,  production  was  curtailed,  buying  of
     stocks was restricted, and prices dropped still further
     ......
     "    The fluctuations in  international  lending,   the
     embarrassments of debtor countries, the fall in prices,
     the depressed conditions in the creditor countries, all
     naturally had a profound effect  upon  the  volume  and
     distribution of world trade ......
     "    The  slump,  once  started,  continued a swift and
     snowball career.    "
Ladies and Gentlemen,
4.   One may be excused if on hearing these quotes one  gets
the  impression  that  some  present-day  writer was writing
about the present world economic situation.
5.   Mr. Hodson wrote a great deal on  the  causes  and  the
course  of  the  Great Depression, not much on the political
consequences.  But he did write on the  social  changes  and
political  upheavals,  including  the growth of extremism in
Germany.  Writing  as  he  did  in  1938, Mr Hodson might be
forgiven  for  not  having  a clue at all about the profound
meaning of  the  ascendancy  of  Adolf  Hitler and the Nazis
in Germany. Mr. Hodson was no specialist on  Asia and  Latin
America.   He can  therefore  also  be  forgiven  for having
little  inkling  of  the  almost  immediate  effects outside
Europe.
6.   Let  me  make  myself  perfectly  clear.   I   am   not
predicting that the world  will  enter  another global Great
Depression, although I feel that for most of  the  countries
of   the South, that second Great Depression descended quite
some time ago.
7.   Some  people  have seen close parallels between the New
York Stock Market boom of 1929 and  recent  developments  in
Wall  Street.   Certainly the world has not seen in the last
two years such a bull run or so many  American  banks  going
bankrupt  since  1929.    I  am  told  that  there  is  this
Kondratieff economic long wave cycle theory which  seeks  to
explain  the great depressions of the 1830's, the 1890's and
the 1930's in terms of a cycle of 45 to 55 years;  according
to  which  we should have a great depression descending upon
us any moment now.
8.   But the economy of the world is  not  governed  by  the
movements  of  the  stars or the planets.  It is created and
managed by men.   In this day and  age  we  do  not  consult
astrologers  or  astronomers  before   adopting     economic
policies. We study and we plan. Surely no one would plan for
a    slump.  What has happened is that we have forgotten the
lessons of history and we repeat our mistakes. If  the  same
people lead for longer periods, perhaps mistakes will not be
repeated.    But,  of  course, there will be other prices to
pay.
9.   In the years after the First  World  War,  the  victors
forced  vanquished  Germany  to  pay  huge  war reparations.
Obviously  if  Germany  had to pay out so much, it must also
earn so much or borrow the required sum. Thus the beginnings
of    economic distortions were set in motion by the leaders
themselves; leaders who had apparently not read history.
10.  Germany,  perhaps  more  than  any  other  country  was
thoroughly  disorganised  industrially after  the World War.
Hodson  pointed  out that "the economic history of the whole
of the first post war decade is a tale of attempts  to  meet
or  to  defy  the  disorders that the war had wrought in the
World's economic system."  The 1919 boom which was  followed
by  a  collapse  in  1920  was  symptomatic  of the economic
disorder and it must be indicative of the economic disorders
that were to follow. But the leaders of the period continued
with their punitive approach against Germany.    The  result
was the 1929 slump and the rise of extremism as portrayed by
Nazism.
11.  Partly  as  a  result of that experience there was less
desire to punish the defeated  countries  after  the  second
World  War.  Except  for  dismantling  the  huge  industrial
conglomerates  thought  to   have   been   responsible   for
sustaining  the  war  machines,  the  Allies  adopted a more
liberal attitude towards  Japan and Germany.  The result was
a very quick recovery for these two dynamic countries, which
in time posed a  threat  to  the  economies  of the U.S. and
some European countries.
12.  So far, so good.  The lessons of the post World War One
were well learnt and applied.  But the U.S. and the  Western
Allies  then  began to feel threatened by the economic power
of the two former enemies, and an easy solution  was  looked
for.  First  interest  rates  were  raised  and the American
dollar  was effectively revalued upwards.  Much money flowed
to  the  U.S. but, at the same time, U.S. goods and services
became uncompetitive.  This in turn resulted in more foreign
goods being imported while American  industry  declined  and
unemployment  consequently increased.   Shortly after, there
was a contraction in the purchasing power of  the  Americans
which  must affect adversely new investments and production.
The economy deteriorates further.  As the  American  economy
deteriorates,  raw  material  exporters  began to lose their
markets.  Prices and earnings went down.  To earn  more  the
commodity  producers  produced  more  and  prices  went down
further.
13.  Elsewhere  the  oil  producers  were  smarting over the
minimal  royalties  they earned from the strategic commodity
they produced. The conduct of the Arab-Israeli War gave them
the  excuse for raising oil  prices.    Suddenly  the  world
was  flooded  with  petro-dollars.   Such huge sums of money
cannot  but  destabilise  the  world's   financial   system.
Extravagant as the oil  producers were, they still could not
spend all   their money.  All kinds of restriction prevented
them from  buying  into  the  major industries of Europe and
America.  Inevitably the  petro-dollars found their way into
the vaults  of  European  and American banks.  The stage was
even reached   when  Arab  oil  producers had to pay to keep
their  money in  the bank.
14.  The petro-dollars must be lent out.   Only nations  can
borrow  huge  sums.   And so sovereign loans became the main
business of western banks.  Nor were the  Arabs  allowed  to
withdraw  their  deposits  because  it  would  disrupt   the
financial  stability of the western countries.  On the other
hand the fall in commodity prices undermined the capacity of
the  borrowing countries to repay their loans.
15.  Simultaneously the  United  States  discovered  that  a
strong  dollar  and  high interest rates was not helping its
economy.  The balance of trade was very much  in  favour  of
the  old  foes -- Germany and Japan.  It was decided that it
was better to devalue the U.S. dollar against  the  Yen  and
the  Deutschmark  in  order  to reduce Japan's and Germany's
exports to  America.   The idea did not work for the U.S. as
predicted by  many  economists  and  international  decision
makers. Japanese and German goods kept pouring into the U.S.
Meanwhile  commodity producers, including oil producers, who
sell in dollars suffered as the dollars earn less  in  terms
of  purchasing capacity.   The oil producers not only earned
less but find their external  reserves  much  diminished  in
value.     Of  course,  countries  that  borrow  in  Yen  or
Deutschmark suddenly found  themselves  even  more  indebted
than before.
16.  Since  the U.S. is not getting much benefit from the de
facto devaluation of the dollar, protectionism began to look
more and more  attractive.  The  target  is  Japan  but  the
developing  countries  are   dragged  willy-nilly  into  the
maelstrom.  The U.S. now talks of balanced trade  even  with
its smaller developing country trading partners.
17.  Economic  policies cannot be expected to yield only one
desired result.   Just as Germany  cannot  be  made  to  pay
reparations after the First World War without disrupting the
worlds  economy,  so today there can be no single remedy for
the economic ills of  a  rich  state  which  will  not  have
undesirable effects on itself and on other states.  The more
drastic the solution, the greater the side-effects on itself
and on others.  This being so, it is important that powerful
economies do not devise economic policies in the absence  of
the weak.
18.  Multilateralism   has  now  become  a  bad  word  among
developed  countries.  The  disillusionment  with the United
Nations  has  led  to the setting up of exclusive rich men's
club.  The  Group  of  Five is an alliance of the rich which
must  inevitably work against the interest of the poor.  The
five has now  become the Group of Seven, again unrepresented
by  the  poor  countries.
19.  Although  in Venice the seven discussed the problems of
the poor, it is doubtful that they  fully  appreciate  these
problems.    It is even doubtful that they take into account
that  the  increasing  poverty  of  the  poor will adversely
affect  their  own  economic performance.  It is worth while
remembering that the Third  World  accounts for 40%  of  the
exports  of  the  world's biggest economy.   As a market the
non-socialists third world is bigger to the U.S. than Westen
Europe, Eastern Europe, the  Soviet  Union,  Australia,  New
Zealand  and China put together.  Economic depression in the
Third World is one reason why the U.S. will continue to have
difficulties in reducing its trade deficit.
20.  If we are going  to  find  a  solution  that  will work
somewhat  better than the currency manipulation which is the
main   result of the Group of Seven meetings so far, we must
return to Multilateralism. If having 150 different countries
sitting  together  to  formulate  a solution is impractical,
then   there  should  at least be  the  presence  of  a  few
representatives  of  the  poorer  countries  when  the Group
of  Seven  meet.  No  action  should  be   taken  until  the
representatives of the poor have been given a hearing.
21.  For  a  long time the South or the developing countries
begged for a New International Economic Order.    The  North
saw  in  this  another  attempt  to  extract  aid from them.
Accordingly they formed the Group of Seven and imposed a New
International Economic Order  of  their  own.   It  must  be
painfully obvious that it is not working.  It fails to solve
even the problems between the members of  the  Group.    Why
else  should the U.S. clamour for its very own protectionist
policy if  the  currency  manipulation  and  other  measures
adopted by the Group of Seven had worked?
22.  Indeed,  far  from  solving  the problems, the exchange
rate adjustments have worsened the  situation.    Developing
countries  unable to service debts now simply refuse to pay.
There was much protest by the banks in the North but finally
they are forced to provide for these bad debts.    And  weak
banks are going bankrupt by the dozens.
Ladies and Gentlemen,
23.  The South admits that they cannot do without the North.
But  then  they cannot hope to be heard if they speak with a
hundred voices.  And so the South have decided to set  up  a
Commission.    The South Commision,  as  it  is  called,  is
presided over by Dr. Julius Nyerere and is given the task of
mapping  out the areas and manner of cooperation between the
countries of the South so as to  reduce  dependence  on  the
North.  But it should be within the scope of the work of the
Commission  to  formulate  effective  representation for the
South in any  North-South  forum  intended  to  correct  the
worlds economic problems.
24.  Admittedly  the  record  of  the  attempts  to cure the
economic  ills  of  the  world  is   not  very  encouraging.
Certainly what has  been done lately has not had the desired
effects. As we can see strengthening the American dollar and
raising  interest  rates  has  been no more  effective  than
weakening   the   dollar   and   lowering   interest  rates.
Protectionism has  not    been successful.  The EEC economic
policies simply  resulted in mountains  of butter, sugar and
meat due to artificially high prices and costly subsidies.
25.  Yet we have had boom times in the world's economy.  The
1960's and 1970's were definitely prosperous years for  most
of  the  world.   Even  the  poorest  and  least   efficient
economies  suffered less because prosperous  countries  were
prepared  to  give  them aid.  We must also remember that we
did come out of the massive slump after the First World War.
We  must  have  done  something  right to be able to prosper
after a     period of economic slump.  If we study carefully
the  situation before and during the prosperous years, there
is bound to be something which happened to help the recovery
and the subsequent boom.
Ladies and Gentlemen,
26.  Situations have changed, of course.   The solutions  of
yesteryear cannot be the solutions of today.  But there must
be  some  lessons from the historical past.  Human ingenuity
is such that we cannot just be  fatalistic  and  accept  the
theory of 50 year cycles.
27.  But  how  many  of  the  people  who determine economic
policies which  affect the world really study the depression
of the late twenties and the subsequent recovery?.   Is  war
the answer?     But  we  know  that  the  economies  of  all
belligerents  suffered as a result of both the first and the
second  World Wars.
28.  Somewhere  in  the prosperous years there is a solution
waiting to be found.  And it is more likely to be  found  if
the  North  can sit with the South and listen to each other.
If the Group of Seven had heard Malaysias views  they  would
not  have  forced  the  value  of  the  Yen  up so much that
suddenly our external debt is doubled.
29.  I am not saying that the mere listening to the views of
the developing countries would result in  a  foolproof  plan
for  economic  recovery.   Some  countries  of the South are
possibly irresponsible and extreme. But the participation of
a  small  representation   from  the  South  would  help  in
highlighting the effect  of any policy on the South, and the
subsequent effect on the North if the South  prospers or  it
is impoverished.
Ladies and Gentlemen,
30.  At  the  beginning  of this talk I said something about
not learning from history, implying that the  situation  now
is  like  that  during  the slump of the late twenties.  The
fact is, of course, the present situation is  not  identical
with  the  late  twenties.   We  do  not  have  a full-blown
depression now. We have a very  odd  mixture  of  prosperity
amidst  poverty  or  poverty   amidst   prosperity    within
countries, between countries, and between regions.
31.  We see for example economic growth taking  place  while
unemployment increases.  We see countries with massive trade
surpluses yet with high cost of living and high unemployment
rate.   Some countries accumulate huge reserves trading with
countries with huge deficits.  Where normally prosperity  in
developed   countries   have   beneficial   effects  on poor
countries,  now we see rich countries getting richer at  the
expense of poor commodity producing countries.
32.  In  the  developed  countries,  stock  market prices go
through the ceiling even  as  record  numbers  of  banks  go
through  the floor.   Companies make little profit but their
shares  go  up  in  value  quite independently.  Billions of
dollars  boost  the  value of junk bonds while real business
suffer because they are considered not creditworthy.
33.  Obviously  this  is  not a slump.   It is a case of the
world's economy going haywire.  We are in a madhouse.    The
need  is  for  sanity.    Confrontationism,  isolationism or
protectionism are about as helpful as a hole  in  the  head.
More  than at any other time we need to sit down and talk to
each other as sane people.
34.  Democracy is wonderful.  Leaders should be  elected  by
the  people,  or  at  least the majority of the people.  But
this need to be popular has  resulted  in  some  Governments
losing their political will.  European leaders, for example,
have  little  time  for  economic  principles  or historical
lessons. They are busy pandering to the views of the farmers
who  are illiterate in economics or history, but whose votes
determine whether the politicians get seats or not.  And so,
despite their better judgement they  subsidise  and  protect
farmers;  thus  giving  rise  to  the butter, meat and sugar
mountains.
35.  Democracy is great and we must have it even if it kills
us.  I am reminded of the American who said, "I don't  agree
with  what  you said, but I will die to defend your right to
say it"  or words to that effect.  It is very noble  but  if
everyone  dies, including the person you disagree with, what
is the benefit to be derived?   A dead man who  is  free  to
speak  is not much  use  because  he  cannot  exercise  that
freedom anyway.
36.  We must have democracy.  But we must define its limits.
We cannot allow democracy to kill us.  If democracy prevents
leaders from doing the right thing for the good of  mankind,
then  let us redefine it.  If we are to save this world from
the economic chaos we are in, leaders must be able  to  free
themselves  from  the pressure of the need to be popular and
take the necessary action.
37.  This is heresy, of course.   But let us  remember  that
the  sacrosanct  ideologies  we  believe  in  today  are the
heresies of yesterday.
Ladies and Gentlemen,
38.  Coming from the developing world, I cannot help but  be
biased  in  favour of the Third World.  But the fact remains
that we are interdepent, now more than ever before.  Just as
the economic performance of the rich North will  affect  the
performance  of the South, so will the prosperity or poverty
in the South affect the North.   If I talk for  and  of  the
South,  interdependence  implies  that I am also talking for
and of the North.
39.  As Hodson said, "In general the prices of  raw  produce
fell more rapidly than those of goods at the later stages of
manufacture,  a  fact  which temporarily assisted industrial
countries ....... but which could not do so for long,  since
their  market  abroad  (in  the  raw   material    producing
countries)  were  being  concurrently  impoverished".   What
Hodson means is that if there is a slump in the Third World,
sooner  or  later  there  will be a slump in  the  developed
countries.
40.  There  is  a slump in most of the Third World countries
now.  The  question  is,  will  there  be  a  slump  in  the
developed  countries next year or the year after -- in other
words  will  there  be  a Global Recession in 1988 or after?
If we     believe in the 50-year cycle, then there must be a
recession soon.  But if we don't, then it is imperative that
we -- and   here I mean not just the economists but also the
world  leaders -- must  learn the lessons of past slumps and
booms and devise  ways  of avoiding the impending recession.
The will   to do this must be exhibited and we must get away
from the   pressure  exerted  by  narrow sectarian interests
even   if   it    means   ignoring   some   of  the  current
interpretations of  democratic rights.
41.  The present recessionary economic situation is man-made
and it must be unmade by man.

 



 
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