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Oleh/By		:	DATO' SERI DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMAD 
Tempat/Venue 	: 	KASANE, BOTSWANA 
Tarikh/Date 	: 	05/05/97 
Tajuk/Title  	: 	THE FIRST SOUTHERN AFRICA 
			INTERNATIONAL DIALOGUE 



   1.  First of  all  I must thank the organisers for  giving
  me  the  honour of addressing this distinguished gathering
  of  Government and business leaders from Southern  Africa.
  I  would  like  to  take this opportunity  to  convey  the
  Government  of  Malaysia's appreciation to H.E.  President
  Robert  Mugabe of Zimbabwe, H.E. President Sam  Nujoma  of
  Namibia   and  H.E.  President  Sir  Ketumile  Masire   of
  Botswana  for  gracing and actively participating  in  the
  Second  Langkawi International Dialogue last year, thereby
  raising the Langkawi International Dialogue (LID)  '96  to
  a higher plane.

  2.  At  LID  '96, I  spoke  about our national concept  of
  Malaysia   Incorporated   as  an   embodiment   of   Smart
  Partnership  that enables Malaysia to achieve an  economic
  growth  of over eight percent per annum for the  past  ten
  years.   Under  the  Malaysia  Incorporated  concept,  the
  civil service no longer regards the private sector as  its
  natural  enemy.  Instead they consider the private  sector
  as     contributing    towards    nation-building.     And
  consequently  the  privatisation of Government  companies,
  institutions  and  functions  in  no  way  represents   an
  abdication  by Government of its responsibilities  to  the
  nation and the people.

  3.  Malaysia  Incorporated, within the  context  of  Smart
  Partnership  implies the deliberate policy  of  tripartite
  cooperation  among the civil service, the  private  sector
  and  the  political  leaders.  The  partnership  is  smart
  because  it  yielded results -- results which  are  shared
  without  exception  by everyone, not  only  by  the  three
  partners  but by the people and the nation as a whole.   I
  am  glad to report that now the unions have come on board,
  to  be  a partner within Malaysia Inc. so as to contribute
  towards  the  national agenda.  It is  recognised  by  the
  trade   unions  that  their  own  struggle  can  only   be
  successful  if  the nation is successful  and  prosperous.
  The  failure  of  the  nation to attain  economic  success
  cannot  result  in  prosperity for  the  workers.   In  an
  economically  poor  country, striking and  taking  to  the
  streets  cannot increase your income simply because  there
  is really no wealth to distribute or redistribute.

  4.   We   have   also  extended   the  concept  of   Smart
  Partnership  to  regional cooperation.  The  formation  of
  the  Association of South East Asian Nations or  ASEAN  is
  one  such  partnership.   Within ASEAN,  we  have  devised
  elements   of   complementarity  for   our   manufacturing
  industries.  There  are  also  efforts  to  promote  joint
  development  among  member  ASEAN  countries  through  the
  setting   up   of  growth  triangles  involving   adjacent
  territories of neighbouring member states.

  5.  Smart  partnerships  clearly  can take  place  between
  many  entities.   Apart from Government  and  the  Private
  Sector,  and  nations  in  a region  there  can  be  smart
  partnerships   between  individuals,  between   companies,
  between twin cities and a host of others.

  6.  I  believe  the  South African Development Cooperation
  (SADC)  too will evolve into a Smart Partnership and  this
  inaugural  South  African International Dialogue  or  SAID
  '97  will  definitely accelerate the process.  I  am  most
  happy  to  note  that SAID '97 is the second International
  Dialogue  to  take  off  after the Langkawi  International
  Dialogue  launched  in  1995.   The  first  one  was   the
  Barbados  International Dialogue for Small  Nation  States
  (BID  96) last year.  Other regions may follow suit.  When
  such  a  time  comes, it will usher in a new understanding
  between regions and groupings which  may contribute to  an
  era  of global peace and prosperity, a Commonwealth of the
  world where wealth would truly be common.

  7.  I  would  like   to  warn   you  however   that  smart
  partnership  is  just  one  element  in  the  formula  for
  success.   Systems  and  formulae  by  themselves   cannot
  guarantee success.  This is because other elements play  a
  role  and can affect the success or otherwise of a formula
  or  system.  And so smart partnership depends also on  the
  environment,  not the trees and forests but the  political
  and  economic environment within the country and  without,
  the  culture and the value system of the people, and a lot
  of other minor elements.

  8.   ASEAN  and  SADC share many common features,  one  of
  which  is  that  many of the member states  in  these  two
  organisations were former colonies of countries  from  the
  Imperial  North.  Malaysia was lucky that  the  transition
  from  a  British  colony to an independent  nation  was  a
  peaceful one.  Many others were not so lucky and they  had
  to  endure  the  traumas  of bloodshed  and  civil  strife
  before   they  could  achieve  independence   from   their
  colonial  masters.  And this invariably has a  deleterious
  effect on their subsequent development.

  9.   But   can   we   developing   countries    be   truly
  independent?     Undoubtedly,   direct   occupation    and
  political control has ended but this has been replaced  by
  much  more  insidious  forms of  colonialisation.   Indeed
  many  of  us  have found that we are more  dependent  than
  when we were colonies.  Our politics, economy, social  and
  behavioural  systems  are  all still  under  the  control,
  directly  or  indirectly, of the old colonial masters  and
  the great powers.  And this constitute the environment  in
  which  we  have  to  manage ourselves.  Our  struggle  for
  independence is far from over.

  10.  As  we  all  know  the moment  the  European  nations
  realised  that they were all going to lose their  empires,
  they  decided to come together in order to continue  their
  grip  on international affairs.  Today the European  Union
  is  a powerful force which tries to impose its will on the
  rest  of the world.  For a time they were preoccupied with
  the  East-West confrontation. But now that is over  and  a
  much  more united Europe which includes the Eastern states
  and Russia will confront the rest of the world.

  11.  Their approach will be more subtle.  Colonisation  is
  over,  but  now  comes globalisation.  The  borders  which
  define  countries will be erased and economic  competition
  on  a  so-called  level playing field must reign  supreme.
  Globalisation  and level playing fields  have  become  the
  catchwords  of a new religion and as we know, you  do  not
  challenge  religious faith no matter how  obviously  wrong
  they are.  You merely accept it.

  12.  Is  it  coincidental  that   globalisation  seems  to
  favour  the rich and the powerful?  We cannot protect  our
  fledgling  industries  behind our borders  anymore.   They
  must  compete with the giants of the world.   Imagine  the
  Malaysian  car  competing against  cars  produced  by  the
  millions  by  General Motors or Volkswagon or Daimler-Benz
  or  Toyota.  Malaysia has to pay a high price for a  small
  part  of  the technology and buy a whole lot of overpriced
  components.   Can  Malaysia's cost of production,  despite
  low  labour cost be as low as the millions of cars  coming
  from  the  robotized and automated assembly lines  of  the
  rich?   And  yet we are told to open up the  market.   Our
  GSP  is about to be withdrawn.  And all these on the alter
  of   globalisation,  transparency,  borderlessness,   fair
  wages and level playing fields.

  13.  Malaysia used to be the biggest producer of  tin  and
  rubber  in the world.  It became rich, or at least  people
  like  Mr. Guthrie, Mr. Boustead, Mr. Sime and many  others
  became rich, because of these two commodities.  About  the
  time   we   became   independent  synthetic   rubber   was
  developed,  and  instead  of  tin  cans,  food  and  other
  products  are  packed  in plastic,  aluminium,  paper  and
  glass  containers.  The bottom was knocked  off  our  only
  foreign  exchange  earners.  Our  commodities  lost  their
  earning  capacity and prices could not keep  up  with  the
  ever-increasing prices of manufactured goods  we  have  to
  import,   some  of  which  are  made  from  our  own   raw
  materials.  Open and free competition is great  but  every
  time  we  open and we compete, we lose out.  How is  that?
  Should  the  South  confine itself  to  the  real  playing
  field,  to  soccer and cricket fields, where  we  stand  a
  chance  of  winning and leave the economic playing  fields
  to  our  betters?   I think we should, but  now  our  best
  players  will be bought by the rich so they  may  get  all
  the gold for themselves on the real playing fields too.

  14.  I  am  not  saying this out of bitterness.   Malaysia
  has  done  reasonably  well.  ASEAN  has  done  reasonably
  well.  But  what I have mentioned are facts,  hard  facts,
  which  will have a bearing on the future of all developing
  countries.

  15.  In the WTO, who comes up with new catch phrases  such
  as  globalisation, the environment, child labour,  workers
  rights,  borderless world, level playing fields  etc?   It
  is  invariably  the economically powerful nations  of  the
  North.   And  for some reason or other, all the  solutions
  to  these issues or problems will result in economic gains
  for the rich.

  16.   How  our  workers  sweated  and  toiled  during  the
  colonial  period was not an issue before,  but  it  is  an
  issue  now.   Millions  of  acres  of  prime  forests   in
  Malaysia  were cut down and burnt in order to grow  rubber
  and  mine for tin in the colonial days, and nobody  cared.
  Today   environmentalists  demonstrate  against   us   and
  boycott  our  timber because we build  a  dam  to  provide
  cheap electricity for our people.

  17.  I  appreciate the genuine concern and the cooperation
  on  the  part  of many from the developed countries  about
  developing the poor countries.  But I would like  to  warn
  developing  countries here and elsewhere that  there  will
  always  be  things that the developed will do  which  will
  not  benefit us.  We will face many obstacles, one of  the
  worst  is  the corruption of our Governments with  aid  in
  order  that we will not speak freely about what  is  being
  done  against  us.   Very frequently developing  countries
  are forced to support the stand of developed countries  or
  face  loss of aid or some material support.  Time and time
  again,  developing  countries are divided  and  splintered
  when  debating issues such as market access or GSP rights,
  as a result of which they all lose out.

  18.  Aid is welcome but aid with strings often negate  the
  help  extended.  In the early years of the IMF, developing
  countries  were persuaded to borrow money for development.
  This  they  did with a great deal of hope. But today  most
  developing  countries which borrowed from the  World  Bank
  are  deeply  in debt.  In some cases fully 80  percent  of
  their  meagre foreign exchange earnings go towards  paying
  debts,  leaving  them  totally  unable  even  to  pay  the
  salaries  of  Government employees.  And as  is  customary
  with  banks, when you most need loans, that is  when  they
  rate  you as not creditworthy and refuse to lend  to  you.
  The  IMF  is  no different.  Today the net flow  has  been
  reversed  and  the  World  Bank  receives  more  in   loan
  payments than the loans they give out.  The world Bank  is
  profitable  for  the  shareholders  who  are  almost   all
  developed rich countries.

  19.  But  having  lent  money to the poor  countries,  the
  World  Bank  insists on directing the  management  of  the
  economy of these countries.

  20.  The  advice  they give is calculated to  benefit  the
  repayment  of  loans they had given out.    The  political
  effects   of   their  directives  do  not   bother   them.
  Frequently  countries  are  destabilised  and  Governments
  overthrown due to following the advice of the World Bank.

  21.   Now   of  course  the  obsession  is  with   liberal
  democracy  and  the  multiparty  system.   I  am  all  for
  democracy.   Malaysia has many political parties  and  the
  opposition invariably win seats in Parliament and  in  the
  legislative  councils of the states.   Opposition  parties
  have  formed Governments in several states and they  still
  control  one state.  But the democratic system is not  the
  easiest system to operate.

  22.  The  present  liberal  democratic  countries  in  the
  North  have had over 200 years of experience.  They became
  democratic slowly.  Even today they are in the process  of
  developing the system.

  23.  But the former colonies which gained independence  in
  the  Post  World  War II period had to go from  autocratic
  government operated by the metropolitan countries to self-
  administered  democracy,  overnight  literally.   How   do
  people  who had never known democracy suddenly  make  this
  complex system work?

  24.  Many  developing  countries  which  adopted  the  one
  party system failed because they had had no experience  in
  Government.  Now they are being told to have a  multiparty
  system,  to  have elections to choose a Government.   Many
  only  understand  the freedom that they are  entitled  to,
  not  at all the responsibility, least of all the intricate
  workings of a multiparty democracy.  And so they  take  to
  the  streets to demonstrate, they have general strikes and
  generally  they destabilise the nation in the belief  that
  they  are  exercising democratic rights.   In  one  former
  Communist European country the people exercised their  so-
  called    democratic    right   by    continuous    street
  demonstration.   The  Government  was  rendered  helpless.
  Armories were raided and guns seized by rioters.  Law  and
  order  broke  down completely.  Innocent people  including
  children were killed.  Finally, foreign troops had  to  be
  called  in  to  forcibly return law and  order.   And  all
  these   because  people  who  had  never  known  democracy
  suddenly had democratic freedom thrust upon them.  Can  we
  blame  them  if  the  whole  thing  went  to  their  heads
  somewhat?

  25.  It is assumed that people will know what is good  for
  them  and  in a democracy they have the right to determine
  for  themselves what the government should be doing.   But
  in  fact  people can also be corrupted by the  power  they
  wield  in  a  democracy.   Their decisions are not  always
  good for them.  They are as likely to shoot themselves  in
  the foot as anyone else in power.

  26.  People  do  chose  representatives  and  parties  not
  because   they   are   capable  of  forming   good   clean
  Governments.  They do chose people because they  hate  the
  previous  government for imposing necessary taxes  or  for
  collecting taxes.  Good government is very often far  from
  their   minds.    Instead,  they  may  simply   hate   the
  Government   even  though  the  Government   had   brought
  prosperity to them. Then they may allow themselves  to  be
  instigated  into  bringing  down  a  Government  to   help
  achieve  the  narrow  ambitions  of  politicians  who  are
  corrupt or intent to rape the nation.

  27.  Mass movements in a democracy can be whipped  into  a
  frenzy  by irresponsible politicians.  Far too many multi-
  party democratic countries have been quite unable to  have
  effective  Governments because no party has been  able  to
  gain  a  good majority.  Post-election coalitions of  weak
  parties  which  constantly bicker  among  themselves  have
  proven  to  be  worse  than  no Government.   The  country
  suffers  politically and economically.   Poverty  spreads,
  infrastructure   and   public   utilities   and   services
  collapse.   And  people  generally  suffer.   The   nation
  becomes  weak  and  is  manipulated by  powerful  nations.
  Debts mount and eventually the country becomes bankrupt.

  28.  All  these things are actually happening.  These  are
  not  hypothetical cases.  They are happening  not  because
  democracy  is  a  bad system.  They are happening  because
  people  assume  that systems can solve problems.   Systems
  do  not solve anything.  People do.  Democracy or for that
  matter  any form of government can bring about development
  and  a good life for the people if the people know how the
  system  works  and  the limits of the  system.   The  best
  political  system or Government system requires discipline
  from  the  people in order to make them work.   The  value
  system  and the political understanding of the  people  is
  important.   They  must not expect to get  everything  for
  themselves.   They  must accord power  to  the  Government
  i.e.  they  must accept unpleasant decisions made  by  the
  Government  as  for example imposing taxes and  collecting
  them,  limiting freedom, regulating a whole lot of  things
  which  may prevent untoward things from happening.   Above
  all  they  must  allow the Government to  govern  and  not
  distract  it by destabilising actions. If the  country  is
  to  be  democratic the Government should be  removed  only
  through  regular elections.  And of course the  Government
  must never abuse its power.

  29.   A  multi-party  liberal  democratic  system  is  not
  something which everyone is familiar with, least of all  a
  newly   independent   country   which   had   been   ruled
  autocratically  by foreigners as a colony for  decades  or
  even  centuries.  To expect such a country, to expect  its
  people  at the midnight lowering of the imperial flag,  to
  suddenly  practise the most sophisticated form of  liberal
  democratic  Government, is insane.  To expect a  true  and
  proper election even is too much.

  30.  We  should go for democracy of course.  But we should
  be  tolerant  of the fumbling attempts, the  failures  and
  the  mismanagements.  The world must help in the  training
  of  Government in the management of the economy. We should
  not  expect  the  ultimate.  We should  not  tolerate  the
  dictators  who emerge of course.  But we should understand
  why  they emerged.  They emerge because we impose a system
  on  people  who do not understand or had no experience  of
  working the system.

  31.  The  old  League  of Nations used  to  set  up  trust
  territories.    Unfortunately,  the   objective   was   to
  perpetuate  colonisation.  But the  trusteeship  could  be
  used  to  provide  a period of supervision  which  can  be
  applied  to certain countries which have no inkling  about
  democracy.    Countries  like  Rwanda,   Burundi,   Bosnia
  Herzegovina  and a few others could benefit  from  the  UN
  moving  in  early in order to oversee the transition  from
  autocratic   colonial  rule  to  democracy  and   economic
  management.   This  way less damage  would  be  done  than
  waiting until hundreds of thousands are massacred, or  the
  economy  totally  destroyed before  the  UN  offers  tepid
  help,  or  the  World  Bank  begins  to  advise.   Liberal
  democracy  and  the totally free market  can  do  as  much
  damage  or even more damage than limited democracy  and  a
  less open market.

  32.  As  I  pointed out earlier the moment the North  lost
  their  colonies  in the South, they set  up  the  European
  Economic  Community  which today has become  the  European
  Union,  a very powerful economic entity capable of forcing
  its  will  on  the  South that they had raped  before  and
  impoverished  through unfavourable terms  of  trade.   But
  the  North  has  not finished yet.  They have  formed  the
  Group  of  Seven (G7) to totally dominate  the  world,  to
  colonise it by other means.

  33.  As  an  example when Japan flooded the  international
  market  with their cheap yet high quality goods, the  rest
  of  the  G7,  pushed up the value of the Yen in  order  to
  make  the  Japanese less competitive and to  regain  their
  markets.  For the poor in this world cheap Japanese  goods
  enabled   them   to   enjoy  such  luxuries   as   radios,
  televisions and pick-up trucks, even motorcars.   But  the
  revaluation  of  the  Yen following  the  so-called  Plaza
  Accord pushed up prices of Japanese goods out of reach  of
  the poor in poor countries.

  34.  But  the Japanese had already invested for production
  in   the  lower-cost  countries  of  Southeast  Asia.    A
  campaign   was   mounted   in  the  International   Labour
  Organisation  (ILO) by trade unions of the North  to  push
  up   labour   costs  in  Southeast  Asia  to  negate   the
  competitive  advantage  these  countries  offer   to   the
  Japanese.   Workers  in  these  countries  were  urged  to
  demand  high wages and to destabilise the country  through
  industrial  actions  so that foreign investors  would  shy
  away.   The  ultimate  result of  the  sympathy  of  trade
  unions  of the North for our workers is to push  cost  up,
  reduce  direct  foreign investments and reduce  employment
  opportunities  for the workers.  This way the  workers  in
  the  North  will not face unemployment, will  continue  to
  enjoy high wages, and a high standard of living.

  35.  I  will  not  speak  about the linking  of  non-trade
  issues  with trade and the threat of sanctions because  we
  all  know  that  it  is not because  of  concern  for  our
  environment or workers' rights,  all of which in  the  end
  will  stifle  our economic development and impoverish  our
  people.   But I would like to mention about the effect  of
  the  Yen  revaluation  on  the  Yen  loans  to  developing
  countries.   Because the value of the Yen has increased  2
  1/2  times the rate of exchange with the Malaysian Ringgit
  at  the  time we borrowed, our debts in Malaysian  Ringgit
  has also increased by 2 1/2 times.  We now have to find  2
  1/2  RM  plus  interest for every 100 Yen we had  borrowed
  when in fact 100 Yen before the Plaza Accord was equal  to
  only  1 RM.  And all because the G7 wanted to solve  their
  deficits  in trade with Japan.  Japan is not  paying.   We
  of  the  South, the recipients of the so-called cheap  Yen
  loans, are the ones who are paying.

  36.  The  G7 is snooty.  They will not condescend to  talk
  with  people  outside their club except with  Russia.   We
  have  asked to at least be allowed to have our views heard
  before  they  decide on matters affecting us but  we  have
  been  totally  ignored.   They  refuse  to  talk  to   the
  Chairman  of  the  Non-Aligned Movement (NAM).   And  they
  refuse   to   talk   to   the  G15  countries   or   their
  representatives.  This is of course democratic.  In  their
  democracy  of old, only landlords had the right  to  vote.
  The   common   man  had  none.   In  modern  day   liberal
  international  democracy, only the rich can  have  a  say,
  the  poor  shall remain voiceless.  And these same  people
  preach ad nauseam about democracy to us.

  37.  We live in an international jungle.  There is no  law
  and  order  in  international relations.   There  is  very
  little justice.  The high and the mighty rules.  The  weak
  and the poor just have to lump it.

  38.  With  all  these threats and obstructive  actions  we
  must  now face the challenge of globalisation.  Are we  in
  a  state  to  face this challenge?  Quite  obviously  not.
  But  no  one is going to wait for us to get ready for  the
  challenge.  So whether we like it or not we have  to  face
  the challenge.

  39.  The only way that the weak can face any challenge  is
  to  present a united front, better still to form  a  smart
  partnership.  We are here today because I believe  we  are
  interested  in  smart  partnerships.   Nations  can   come
  together to form smart partnerships.  Not only will we  be
  able   to  present  a  united  front  but  through   smart
  partnerships  we can actually strengthen each  other.   We
  are  not without assets and experience.  By exchanging our
  experiences  in economic management, we can  learn  to  do
  what  is right and avoid the mistakes that any one  of  us
  may  have made.  By sharing whatever little assets we have
  we can consolidate our strength.

  40.  Not  only  should the countries  of  Southern  Africa
  come  together  but  they  should  establish  contact  and
  cooperate  with  groupings such as  ASEAN  or  the  Indian
  Ocean  Rim countries.  The regional organisations too  can
  form   smart  partnerships.   When  faced  with   damaging
  proposals   from   the   developed  North   the   Regional
  Organisations  can take a common stand.  This  we  did  at
  the WTO meeting in Singapore.  And we prevailed.

  41.  At  home  we  should form smart partnerships  between
  the  Government and the private sector and also  with  the
  trade  unions.   We must ensure good Government  dedicated
  to developing the country and enriching the people.

  42.  We  must be democratic in the sense of being  willing
  to   use  the  ballot  box  to  determine  who  forms  the
  Government.   And  having elected the Government  we  must
  allow  it to govern for the duration of its term.  Elected
  Government  is  not  always good,  but  bringing  it  down
  through  demonstrations and industrial actions  does  more
  harm  than  good.  Here members of regional groupings  can
  help  supervise to ensure elections are fair.  Unless  the
  crimes  committed are serious, new Governments should  not
  take revenge on previous Governments.

  43.   Political  stability  is  absolutely  essential  for
  economic  development, for fending off the predators  from
  the    developed   North,   and   for   maintaining    the
  independence,  the hard-won independence  of  our  nation.
  We  must  realise that left to them, the  North  that  is,
  globalisation  will become another form  of  colonisation.
  We  had  fought hard for independence.  We had shed  blood
  for   it.   But  we  must  know  that  globalisation,  the
  breaking  down  of national borders, will  result  in  the
  loss  of  independence.  How can we be independent nations
  if we have no borders.

  44.  The North can gain much by recolonising.  But  we  do
  have  the  ultimate weapon.  People are more  mobile  now.
  They  can  go anywhere.  In a borderless world we  can  go
  anywhere.   If  we  are not allowed a  good  life  in  our
  countries, if we are going to be global citizens, then  we
  should  migrate  North.  We should migrate  North  in  our
  millions,  legally  or illegally.  Masses  of  Asians  and
  Africans should inundate Europe and America.  If there  is
  any  strength that we have, it is in the numbers.   Three-
  fourth  of  the  world is either black, brown,  yellow  or
  some  combination of all these.  We will make all  nations
  in the world rainbow nations.

  45.   This   is   how   we   will   ultimately   challenge
  globalisation.   I hope we don't have to resort  to  this.
  But  we  will if we are not allowed a piece of the action,
  a  piece of the cake; if we are not allowed to prosper  in
  a borderless world.

  46.  We  can  try to learn from those from the  North  who
  have  been  successful a very long time.   But  they  have
  forgotten  how they succeeded.  And they have no  patience
  for  those who do not seem to know the obvious,  who  seem
  not  to want to follow advice, who tumble and stumble  and
  keep on making mistakes.

  47.  We  should  know  of  course that  globalisation  has
  come.   The  world will be borderless.  All barriers  will
  be  taken down.  Everyone is free to go anywhere, to trade
  anywhere,  to  invest anywhere, to do  business  anywhere.
  We  from the South, from the developing countries can  now
  go  and  set  up our banks and industries, our supermarket
  and   hotel  chains  in  the  rich  North  even   as   the
  Northerners  can come into our countries to set  up  banks
  and  industries, business chains etc.  The problem is that
  we  don't  have  the  banks and  the  industries  and  the
  business  chains to go North to benefit from  the  freedom
  of  globalisation.  We don't even have  them  in  our  own
  countries, how do we benefit from the right to  go  North?
  It  we have they are tiny.  The field will be level but we
  are  midgets in a world of giants.  The giants  will  come
  and the giants will conquer.

  48.  I  do  not  want to be pessimistic, too  pessimistic.
  There  is  some  hope.   There is  hope  if  we  can  work
  together,  if we can form smart partnerships,  if  we  can
  help each other, if we can devise ways of mutual help  for
  the benefit of partners.

  49.  Many  of  us  have come a long  way  to  attend  this
  dialogue,   the   First   Southern  Africa   International
  Dialogue.  We are here because we are all concerned  about
  our  countries,  about our people.   As  leaders  we  have
  responsibilities  to  our  people.   And  we  have  to  be
  serious, of course.

  50.  I  hope that we can have a good dialogue so  that  we
  can  go  back to our own countries to apply what  we  have
  learnt, for the good of our people.  That is our mission.

 
 



 
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